That was something I would do often, and like anyone else there have been other things in my life that have given that perspective. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. Before Patrick's last year of High School he left . There was a real kind of internal crisis, funnily enough, at Belmarsh at that moment. When did you last speak to him? The judge actually criticised the timing of the statement and said he was unsure whether it was out of ignorance or deliberate. I wont ever be at peace with it, I suspect in one sense, because it hurts. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. Coulson Brothers now has the largest capacity on the Muskoka lakes, with five barges capable of transporting any size or weight. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. I think Ive been up and down that mountain and that I think is a good and useful thing for my clients. Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. In the second extract from his new book Hack Attack, Nick Davies. In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. There are a lot of very bad people in there and there are also a lot of people like me who are transiting, if you like. Coulson edited one of. Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. Those were my choices and when you take jobs like that, people are going to form a view. But first and foremost it was a professional relationship and thats exactly what I wanted it to be and he wanted it to be. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. When I was in the midst of all this I was encouraged by Eloise and friends to go and talk to someone and I did that. Andy Coulson, the former newspaper editor and Downing Street spokesperson jailed on phone hacking charges, revealed that he has built a new career as a crisis strategy consultant - and "business. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. I want to focus on what we dont know, which is obviously the theme of this podcast, and how you handled that crisis point of your life and, of course, the effect that it had on your family. Andy: Its very hard, this, to get it down to three. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. [64] In October 2013, it was revealed that Coulson had had an affair with Rebekah Brooks that lasted from 1998 to 2007. [40] Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. Is that why you resigned? [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. This article is more than 8 years old Andy Coulson, the criminal who had David Cameron's confidence Former No 10 spin doctor is found guilty of hacking charge while Rebekah Brooks is cleared of. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. But youve never shared your own experience. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Jane: You were acquitted. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. And there was a bit of joshing as well, particularly with prison officers when I would kind of complain about the process or I would ask the question, Why am I still here when I think I should have been categorised by now? and Id get a wry look that says, Well Tory cuts, Andy.' And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. Andy: Yeah, yeah. I thought that was pretty unusual and unfair, but it happened so I had to deal with it. Colton came . Prison is a, very obviously, stark place but it is also packed with emotion. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. Now, a lot of women, I think, in particular listening to this would think, well we wouldnt blame her for just giving up on you after all of that, but she didnt. Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. Theres a door that youre going to go through. As a newspaper editor, its a weekly crisis, daily crisis when youre working on The Sun, which is of course where I spent most of my time, most of my career. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. Speaking outside the court, Coulson said: "I'm just delighted that after four pretty testing years my family and myself have finally had a good day". And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. [15] Other defendants were cleared. Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. But I accepted the system. Andy: I do, yeah. In an interview with the Press Gazette in 2005, he said that "Tabloid newspapers in this country do more for its people than any other newspapers in the world". Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. Series 2. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. Revelation: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson (left, in September 2004) were having a secret affair for at least six years, the Old Bailey heard. Jane: So you just sort of top up when you need it? Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. Andy: Their choice really. And that just didnt happen. I dont know how long you can give it but I want you to stay and be in Downing Street with me, which was, I have to say, enormously flattering. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. [18], On 1 June 2015, the judge, Lord Burns, acquitted Coulson. At that stage there was a book ban in prisons, so no chance of getting any books at all. And thats just not where I am. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 52 years old? I think that we are all stronger for it. In 1994, he briefly moved to the Daily Mail, but after nine weeks moved back to The Sun to edit Bizarre. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. And so did that help in a way? The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. Jane: Well that was sort of going to be my next question, because undoubtedly your role at Downing Street heightened the interest in your trial. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. Its constantly incoming and my job, in fact, was to manage those crises. A Stratford employment tribunal upheld a claim of unfair dismissal claimed by senior sports writer Matt Driscoll, and stated "We find the behaviour to have been a consistent pattern of bullying behaviour". Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. [60][61], Coulson was to face a retrial, together with the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, after the jury failed to agree a verdict on two other charges of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer. Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. That was very difficult. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. Dont try and solve it all. Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. Then before you know it, because my sentencing was first in the order of the day, if you like, in the Old Bailey, I was then sat in that cell and was there for quite a while because they keep you there until the end of play and then everyone gets put on the bus and ferried off. But I never, at any point, felt that I was being treated worse than anyone else. I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. Learn How rich is He in this year and how He spends money? I think, as you say, if she had decided enough was enough I dont think there is anyone who would have blamed her for it. You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. Thats what we have here and obviously for me Im going to say its an imperfect system, but Im certainly not arguing that it should have been done some other way. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. His predecessors had had the highest level of vetting, as did his successor and (after his departure) his deputy. [48], However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. Jane: Between the jury verdicts at your trial, David issued an apology for hiring you and said it was wrong. Fair enough, really. Andy Coulson, the British prime minister's former communications chief, has been arrested by detectives investigating allegations of phone hacking at the Sunday tabloid, the News of the World . I often read people saying that it doesnt really matter. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. [46][47], He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. Coulson is pictured leaving the court earlier. But that didnt happen and we stayed together and yes, the simple answer to that question, are we stronger as a result? I dont think its something that you sort of say right, great, Ive done that, thats finished. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. What happened, happened. And they were nothing short of incredible. Certainly not for me. The key to it, I think, with therapy is you have got to find the right person. Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. But I cant lie about it, I also found it, I think because Im a journalist by trade, I found some elements of it fascinating. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. So your boys did come to Belmarsh? They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . 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