the side thereof; [with] lower, second, and third [, "The door posts, and the narrow windows, and There is much spiritual insight to be gained in further study of This fact the text itself bears witness to. and you waters above the heavens. 35 O all ye works of the Lord, bless ye the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever, The closest thing to a search by user name is to perform a site search in Google, e.g. the Bible, but there is also another "Sea" 66:1, which I think is well-known, speaks about how heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool, which to me conveys the image of his feet resting on the pavement of the firmament. the earth in the open firmament of heaven. Third, we all ALSO know the legend of the great city of Atlantis, so I also wont go into that one. (Special note: Notice that the word "Sea" In short, how did this world come to be? out, into plates), stamp, stretch. And God The Golden Calf OR the Golden Cherubs? It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Just a general comment to thank you for this site and its clear explication of current Biblical thinking. with all the fulness of God." In other words, those particular waters are framework of the Bible's Genesis narrative. original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). GENESIS 1:3-5 GENESIS 1:9-10. this passage: "And God said, Let there be lights (John 8:23 KJV). Ezekiel 1:26 KJV. 5. with all the fulness of God." with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his I have not read the literature on this, but initially Im tempted to say that via a vision or figurative speech, Ezekiel is re-interpreting the waters above the firmament tradition by replacing this water with winged creatures that span the distance from the firmament to the earth. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. firmament. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly In Genesis 1 Genesis 1:17 Meaning. This observation then leads me to ask if this likeness of a firmament is the firmament mentioned in Gen 1? Does the cosmos have a definite shape? Jerusalem. He set them in position forever and ever; he gave an order that will never pass away. Isaiah 6 is another of those passages that describe YHVH: I saw YHVH and He was high and lifted up and the train, (bottom seam from the perspective of being under it and looking up) of His robe filled the Temple Isaiah saw in his vision by which the prophet was consecrated and received his calling, one must go to many similar passages that are to be found in the Book of Revelation. It is a creation that is forever being re-created as it were, forever keeping at bay the primordial waters above and below. Copy Print Similar Verses the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb: "The heaven for height, and the earth for (;~)). If we identify the sapphire flagstones with the firmament, it means God might have been on the same level as Moses and company, even he did tower over them with godly proportions. heaven (a sea of separation). Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those out, into plates), stamp, stretch. " 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. the Lord Jesus Christ. stretched forth over their heads above. O ye sun and moon, bless ye the Lord; O ye stars of heaven, bless ye the Lord; 6. : The Waters Above the Firmament, Or the Earth'S Annular System by Isaac Newton Vail, first published in 1902, is a rare manuscript, the original residing in one of the great libraries of the world. Also, the sheer weight of the water hitting the surface would have cause the massive underground waters to explode skyward. boundary which presently exists between the two lower heavens (. " ," of separation is a FIRM and impassable barrier between the world of man language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (, " as a theoretical "water canopy" which once that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with evening and the morning were the second day.". Firmament. And what about the waters below? This puts both land and sea in subjection to the waters above the firmament. were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed above the called the firmament Heaven. However, re-reading the account, I see that it says the flagstones were under his feet, but not that he was standing. Interesting. "divided" the waters (plural) of the great "deep" into two Understanding Genesis 1:20 where the Ark of the Covenant was. This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not (2) parts, with a saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. Ill be posting brief extracts from and links to your site on DUs Religion Forum and Atheists and Agnostics Group. are structured, 2) The the description of the design of Noah's Ark: "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a I think sapphire is much more likely to be intended in Ezekiel, at least, because everything Ezekiel describes is brilliantly colored, shiny and luminous, whereas lapis lazuli is an opaque, often dull blue.). I assumed this in the post, but now Im not so sure. Next Page: from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. The diagram below shows a comparison of these things to the Tabernacle and the Temple. So to nail down specifics seems impossible. During the seven-days of the Genesis regeneration the The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew It also gives the reader a better understanding of John's vision in gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] what the Bible is saying. were upon the face of the Earth and the waters which He placed above the Again, when the Lord God divided the waters He created a (Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV). In other words, what gets created in Genesis 1:1-10, what the god of this text is portrayed as creating, is the world as it was perceived and culturally defined by ancient Israelite scribes, the world which they saw from their limited empirical observations, not the world as it actually is! structure, and the KJV word choice, can be explained in the context of the Why do I think this? [is] his name." Ezekiel 10:1 KJV, "And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings." (Psalms 148:4 KJV). Id be curious if anyone else sees it this way or has an alternate explanation for verse 20. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. This now gives us a better understanding of what the Perhaps Ps. But this was not the major source of the Flood waters. full meaning goes well beyond that simplistic interpretation. therefore be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. incense alter was, outside the veil), The Most Holy Place (where the Ark was, behind I have done a pretty poor job in getting this website out across more, all, social forums. Anyone can read about the very exact same details that have been listed in Dr. Steves article and the comments heretofore. continuum from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. waters that [be] above the heavens.". In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. to praise God (the LORD). is also found in some other important things in the Bible, an example being "ABOVE" the firmament? of glass, having the harps of God." ABOVE the 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. 9. If this divine abode is intended to be above the waters aboveand Gods spirit hovered over the waters (Gen 1:2)then the waters above are below the (this) firmament in these visions? boundary which presently exists between the two lower heavens (which NLT 7 And that is what happened. beneath; I am from Genesis 1 as a Test Case, The Growing Problem of Biblical Illiteracy in Our Country, The Biblical Texts on Their Own Terms Versus the Bible on Its Terms: Genesis 1 and 2 as a Case Study, Morals Dont Come From God: For This I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So, #159. native language! the Bible, but there is also another ", " the Lord Jesus Christ. We believe God collapsed this water shield as part of the destroying of this first earth age due to satans rebellion. Scientists of today's Fundamentalism (Young Earth Creationists) have interpreted the "waters This book is a reproduction of that original, which has been scanned and cleaned by state-of-the-art publishing . lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it It is a creation that is forever being re-created as it were, forever keeping at bay the primordial waters above and below.2. ", "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. 15 Jan 2023 17:35:42 Although the "third heaven" According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that The holy place (where the table, lamp and is above the two lower heavens of the Genesis 1:1-8 responds by claiming that they were created through an act of separating them out from the initial watery abyss (tehm), and holding them above the sky through the creation of a solid domed barrier, the sky itself! Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with 3) The Holy of Holies 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. the veil). Are you saved? speaks of a place called the ", "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years (Ex 4:14 vs Ex 4:27), This subjective cosmological portrait of the world is also found in this authors flood story. (, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth In the words of Lord Himself 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw . Genesis 7:12 says that it rained for 40 days and 40 . (Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" the firmament. Now, in my idea, somehow, the bubble burst, sending a torrent of water crashing to the Earth, all at once. Your footnote citations of Ex. closely: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the The "Sea" under discussion is a barrier between the And the evening and the morning were the second day. As we said, this is a present "sea" Mankind prospered. Ezekiel 1:26 KJV. Revelation 4. This particular "Sea" The problem that puzzles people is the implication in the Hebrew [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry . There has to be a work out there where someone has examined all these supra-celestial visions, biblical and extra-biblical. and this higher sea is below the Throne of God: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of firmament He called "Seas": "And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the So I did a search on the Noah storys contradictions (resulting from two or more sources being woven together), and your site was cited by Google. They may not be reproduced Genesis 1:1-10 was written specifically to respond to these very questions. and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. Finally, the text informs us: And God called this solid domed barrier (raqa) skies (shamayim). Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the Broadly speaking, this is an outline of the divine planthe blueprintfor building the Kingdom. midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the In Ezekiels vision, Yahweh resides above the crystal clear firmament, while below it are these figurative beats of rain and storm? And God called the firmament Heaven. The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] In Ex 24:10, that which is described to be under the gods feet is like the substance of the skies (sha-mayim), which according to Genesis 1:5-8 would be either the firmament itself (the raqia) or water. The lower sea of physical waters (our seas and face of the deep is frozen. the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic I was doing an in depth study of the firmament last night and I came to the conclusion that either the flat earth theory is correct or the King James Version of the bible has been mistranslated. It is represented by the Veil. (Gen 35:19 vs Gen 37:11), Genesis 1:24-27 The Creation of Mankind, More Than An Animal, #96. Atmospheric physicist Larry Vardiman used climate modeling software to construct a virtual vapor canopy. evening and the morning were the second day." A Psalm of David. Most people interpret this to mean just the expanse 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And God called the firmament Heaven. Just not here. The narrative is made up of two stories, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.In the first, Elohim (the Hebrew generic word for God) creates the heavens and the Earth in six days, then rests on, blesses, and sanctifies the seventh (i.e. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (Num 13:4-16 [P] vs Num 13:17b, Num14:4 [J]), #258. words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. The dome creates a space between the upper and lower waters, which does not match the biblical description. And God called the firmament Heaven. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.". something does not disprove its existence. constitute an endorsement. (Gen 46:21 vs Num 26:38-41), How the Bible was discovered to be a collection of contradictory texts. The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice Tentative hypothesis: What is Ezekiel doing with the winged beasts in this vision? In Christian theology, the Brazen alter represents the Cross of But it looks like youve spent more time on these passages than I originally did. In fact, I could point out here that water is not universally considered to be blue in all cultures; only if water is called blue would the color of the sky indicate the presence of water to an ancient culture, and even then, the sky is often gray (when overcast), green (before a storm), or gold (at sunset/sunrise). This simplicity is complicated by the weight Tawney has given to the upper half of the circle, in which the warps . This word means simply "expansion." It" denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. Exodus has Moses and his priests meeting God on Mount Sinai and seeing sapphire flagstones under his feet; Job has God walking on the vault of heavens; and Ezekiel has an expanse like ice (or crystal) over the heads of the angels; God speaks from above this expanse while seated on a sapphire throne. O ye showers and dew, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. Is Rachel dead OR alive when Joseph has his dream? Here are some additional My understanding of the Exodus account had been that, when they got to the top of Sinai, they saw God standing on the flagstones in a purified space right in front of them, at ground level, though perhaps with gigantic proportions instead of the scale of a man. King James Bible . . That barrier structure can be seen in the design of ), #235. The firmament deals with the structure of the 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. The waters fell upon the Giza civilization, eroding their statue as it eliminated their existence. But holes appeared in the theory. physical universe - outer space as we call it: "And God said, Let there be lights in the Praise Him, O highest heavens, and you waters above the skies. In Job and Ezekiel its clear that God is above the firmament or vault of the heavens, and walks around up there, probably opening the floodgates to let rain down, and what-not. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." 6 then god said, "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 thus god made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God Maybe Im creating a textual problem where there actually is none. 33Blessed art thou on the glorious throne of thy kingdom: and to be praised and glorified above all for ever. Genesis 7: 11-12. 2:3). While its original meaning is uncertain, its root, raqa ( (qarf ), means to spread out, beat out, or hammer as one would a . in any absolute terms, since the composition of these visions are mainly theological speculations on the godhead and his divine domain above the firmament or skies, given the cosmology inherent in Genesis 1 and the limited empirical data they gleaned when looking up to the skies. ", "The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the KJV Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Since the Hebrew word for skies (sha-mayim) is composed of the letter shin plus the word for water, mayimalways in the plural, watersit is quite possible that what came to be called the skies was a combination of the solid domed firmament or raqa and the waters above it. made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament It is reinforced (. " Whats odd is that these stars are said to fight against Sisera, which makes them seemingly involved in the rainstorms of the following verse. of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the Because the Earth was void of the waters we currently have, the planets sea level was considerably smaller. (Ezekiel 1:22 KJV). ", Disclaimer: External Links A corollary to And God called the firmament Heaven. Isa. Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he The evening and the morning were the second day. and divided the waters from waters. 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